Does the Rambam’s rule for how to tell if a prophet is false apply to gentiles?
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Christianity
Does Christianity violate any of the Noahahide laws according to the majorty?
Courts of Law: Are we guilty?
Hi there
I’m speaking to a fellow Noahide, one much more learned than me who has studied a lot more Jewish sources than me, including Hirsch’s Nineteen Letters and the commentaries of Ramban, who has gone through much more extensive Jewish learning than a simple reader like myself. He brings up a question that I find difficult to budge.
In the Path of the Righteous Gentile it states.
“The Children of Noah are commanded to establish courts of law that will carry out justice and maintain human righteousness and morality in accord with the Seven Universal Laws.[1] A court system that perverts justice by handing down rulings in conflict with the Seven Universal Laws is an instrument for driving God’s blessings out of the world. Anyone who fails to establish a court system, that is, who lives in a community or city in which there are no courts, and who does nothing to correct the situation, is punishable by death. One who establishes or maintains courts of law that operate contrary to the Seven Universal Laws is similarly liable.” (Chapter 12, Chapter 1, Law 1)
The noahide I’m speaking to points to the fact that we are not living in a righteous governmental system that upholds the Noahide laws. Even the page on AskNoah that speaks of this law admits we don’t live in a time where governments uphold the seven commandments. In his (the noahide’s) eyes, we are not keeping this law as long as this is the current state of affairs. So if this law has to do with an observant community and no community is observant of this law and the other six, then aren’t we guilty of breaking this law? I’m understanding this law as setting up a court that actually upholds the seven commands, not just setting up any court to go with any legal philosophy.
I live in a country that doesn’t respect the Seven Commandments. I can’t think of a country, not even the current secular government of Israel, that upholds the Seven Commandments. Yet I continue to live here. I know that personally I try to live according to HaShem’s commandments and be a good example. I don’t know if the videos I produce are enough. But if I didn’t do such videos, but just tried my all to keep the laws that I can keep but under a godless, anti-Sheva-Mitzvos government, then am I breaking this law of courts of law? According to HaShem’s standard, am I guilty? Are we noahides/gentiles guilty?
I have pointed out to this person that seeing the law as he does, then the vast majority of “observant” noahides throughout history, from the Syrian Naaman who returned to his own country, to the God-fearers of old, up until today, all of whom lived under governments that didn’t uphold the seven commandments, are guilty. And thus according to Rambam who says that one only has a place in the world to come if he is careful to do all the commands [because God commanded them to Moses], not one Noahide has reached that level. So whether we think of the World to Come or just this world, we’re all guilty. There is something within me that disagrees with this interpretation of this “seventh” commandment, but I don’t think I have a good response at all apart from the fact that just as Jews are not punished for not being able to perform most of their laws because of the current state of the Temple, in the same way noahides are not punished for this law because many of them are not in the position to change the current world government system except to teach their children and do their best with their example in the eyes of those around them.
Do you have an answer for this?
Courts of Law: Are we guilty?
Hi there
I’m speaking to a fellow Noahide, one much more learned than me who has studied a lot more Jewish sources than me, including Hirsch’s Nineteen Letters and the commentaries of Ramban, who has gone through much more extensive Jewish learning than a simple reader like myself. He brings up a question that I find difficult to budge.
In the Path of the Righteous Gentile it states.
“The Children of Noah are commanded to establish courts of law that will carry out justice and maintain human righteousness and morality in accord with the Seven Universal Laws.[1] A court system that perverts justice by handing down rulings in conflict with the Seven Universal Laws is an instrument for driving God’s blessings out of the world. Anyone who fails to establish a court system, that is, who lives in a community or city in which there are no courts, and who does nothing to correct the situation, is punishable by death. One who establishes or maintains courts of law that operate contrary to the Seven Universal Laws is similarly liable.” (Chapter 12, Chapter 1, Law 1)
The noahide I’m speaking to points to the fact that we are not living in a righteous governmental system that upholds the Noahide laws. Even the page on AskNoah that speaks of this law admits we don’t live in a time where governments uphold the seven commandments. In his (the noahide’s) eyes, we are not keeping this law as long as this is the current state of affairs. So if this law has to do with an observant community and no community is observant of this law and the other six, then aren’t we guilty of breaking this law? I’m understanding this law as setting up a court that actually upholds the seven commands, not just setting up any court to go with any legal philosophy.
I live in a country that doesn’t respect the Seven Commandments. I can’t think of a country, not even the current secular government of Israel, that upholds the Seven Commandments. Yet I continue to live here. I know that personally I try to live according to HaShem’s commandments and be a good example. I don’t know if the videos I produce are enough. But if I didn’t do such videos, but just tried my all to keep the laws that I can keep but under a godless, anti-Sheva-Mitzvos government, then am I breaking this law of courts of law? According to HaShem’s standard, am I guilty? Are we noahides/gentiles guilty?
I have pointed out to this person that seeing the law as he does, then the vast majority of “observant” noahides throughout history, from the Syrian Naaman who returned to his own country, to the God-fearers of old, up until today, all of whom lived under governments that didn’t uphold the seven commandments, are guilty. And thus according to Rambam who says that one only has a place in the world to come if he is careful to do all the commands [because God commanded them to Moses], not one Noahide has reached that level. So whether we think of the World to Come or just this world, we’re all guilty. There is something within me that disagrees with this interpretation of this “seventh” commandment, but I don’t think I have a good response at all apart from the fact that just as Jews are not punished for not being able to perform most of their laws because of the current state of the Temple, in the same way noahides are not punished for this law because many of them are not in the position to change the current world government system except to teach their children and do their best with their example in the eyes of those around them.
Do you have an answer for this?
Noahides and kabbalah
Can noahides study kabbalah? If so whare should they start?
cruelty to animals
I am quite surprised that it is permitable to eat animals that are so poorly treated as many must know about. Organic produce does not have this issue, but non-organic farming is just horrible. In addition, all the antibiotics, hormones, and bad food they are given makes the meat very unhealthy. Is anything being done in the Jewish community to stop this? What does halacha say?
G-d as “Father” of Gentiles
1) As Jews, we are called “bonim atem Elokaichem” (G-d’s children). Are gentiles also “G-d’s children”? Is G-d each person’s (gentile) ultimate loving parent? (I have always relatd to / connect with G-d as the father of all – both Jew and gentile. Is this belief proper (I also encourage gentile colleagues to connect to their “Father in Heaven.”) Is it proper and true for gentiles to feel and internalize that they have a loving “Father in Heaven”?
2)Does Hashgocha pratis (Divine Providence) exist in the life of non-Jews? Somebody had pointed out that the Ramchal (in Derech Hashem) staes that it is klallis (not pratis, that heir individual lives are not “directed by H’). I know there are other sources that say that Hashem is intimitately involved, directing the lives of all people. I have always believed this to be true. Can you provide your insight here (Either I don’t understand the Ramchal, or I find it completely contrary to what I have always believed – that Hashem is intimately involved / directing the personal circumstances of each and every person). If that is the case, how are we to interpret the Ramchal?
3)Is there merit in G-d’s “eyes” for gentiles who keep the 7 Noachide laws, but in the framework of being Christians (they never reached the point of enlightenment of the gentiles in the videos on your website to break away from church, etc.)? Since most non-Jews never declared themselves as Noachides in front of a beis din, do they still have a closeness to G-d and a share in Olam Haba?
Becoming a Nohide
Is there a formal conversion process for becoming a Nohide? What are the necessary studies that one must undertake before one is called a Nohide?
studying kabbalah
can a non Jew study kabbalah?
Noahides and Christians
Q: Is it proper for a Noahide to show hostility towards Christians?